Also, is there a specific set of criteria for adding a map to the tables? The parts of the FAQ/SiteInfo dealing with this don't seem to set anything down. :)

Yeah, me! =).

I think maps are added at SDA's discretion, if/when the SDA staff decide they need/want more maps. There's no real criteria, it just depends what maps are around at the time.

http://www.planetquake.com/teamshambler - it's Quake single player, bitches.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM. It looks like the point you're making is: "Shambler's demos suck ass, so it's okay adding those maps as there will be lots of improvements" hehe!!

http://www.planetquake.com/teamshambler - it's Quake single player, bitches.

Basicly all I said was that it sucks when those 'skilled' runners do the demos in advance, then there's no room for the lesser skilled speedrunners to even have a chance on those maps.

The whole point of adding those maps is that people will be given a chance to compete and that's kinda hard to do when the demos has been done before the map is added to SDA.

And yes Shambler/Stefan, your demos are beatable, but just imagine if someone like Markus started doing runs on the unlisted maps, then there would only be a minor chance that someone could beat those demos.

But apparently the majority of speedrunners don't give a shit really, they just bitch bitch bitch whenever they get a chance.

So shut the fuck up unless you have constructive critism....

(yes, I'm pissed in case you couldn't tell!)

- The axe swinging master -

and some more (ok i overexegurate (speeled right?)a bit) I knew Hanz did aswell damn he ownz me on most of them :) and i spended this week evening on making Twelve_029 Twelve_006 and first_009 first_008
and had good fun on that, i dont care that they are not listed maybe even never be listed anywhere att all, but i do care about maps i would have never found if they wouldnt be hosted on either sda, TS, ftp.cdrom or whereever, I do care that i know bout some friggen hard tricks to be done on certain maps ,i care about some of those nice lines etc etc
thats reason 1 why i say update all maps that are known to mankind on sda :)
reason 2 is ehmm don't realy remember the name of the map of the last mapupdate but about every runner around submitted a 0.09
and just 2 guys managed (nightmare was Anderson i believe) 0:08 even with two different routes i even felt sorry that i couldnt dl all the submissions just because the fact that someoneelse happened to submit his demo an hour later

Stubbys argument (..imagine marcus...) wasnt that real nice smooth run of marcus on e4m4 just broken? ok you'd never could stubby but that cuz you cant leave while there still some critters alive.
Personally I would love it when someone would post a prerecorded demo of some years old..almost anyone becomes better over the years (if he would post a shitload of prerecorded demos it would kinda be lame

2nd it looks to me like the toprunners care more about 1 id1-record then a 100 custom-recs.
Would optic ever have had that many recs without customs?(ok there not 800 maps on id1:)but still)
So what is my point? My point is that i never !heard/read! an argument to not add maps to sda on wich i agree.
To ugly:if the run/demo is nice to watch i dont care at all
To easy:do it quicker then:)
To modified:hmm this could be an argument if it changes the game so much it wouldnt have much to do withquake
To short:Ok there's no point in updating those maps wich you can exit within 5 secs cuz they will be optimised straight away
To much trouble:dunno how much trouble it is to add a map to the table + receiving the next days shitloads of demos cant judge this

I'm not bugging anyone to addd maps...but he can pull his pants down already now if he does, i'll be real greatfull..a mouth full great!
3rd ehmm last i think aslong most off the community would like to see "new" maps listed
why not? we do this for fun don't we? I do..even though i spended about 6 hours this week to get that stupid twelve_006 ( geuss 5 could be done even :( )
:)

Basil

Ps talking about not listed maps I think I own the record on deadsimple instead off ilkka cu z i dont think that the version that sda hosts is the final version of that map but a betaversion, the version i have that endtrigger is enclosed by some walls that will move down if you kill all the monsters i geuss, or ogregrenade into it

WTF!!!!! Can't you read or are you just not capable of reading proper english????

Take a look at this line again:
"but just imagine if someone like Markus started doing runs on the unlisted maps, then there would only be a minor chance that someone could beat those demos"

What does a minor chance mean? It means that there _is_ a posibility that someone can beat Markus' records!

- The axe swinging master -